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Old 03-30-2015, 08:46 PM
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After a violent shipwreck, billionaire playboy Oliver Queen was missing and presumed dead for five years before being discovered alive on a remote island called Lian Yu. Oliver returned home to Starling City to his devoted mother Moira, much-beloved sister Thea, his old friend, Tommy Merlyn, and ex-flame Laurel Lance. However they sense Oliver has been changed by his ordeal on the island. Oliver secretly creates the persona of the Arrow – a vigilante – to right the wrongs of his family, fight the ills of society, and save his Starling City.

After a year of trying to atone for his father's sins by taking justice into his own hands. Oliver is changed by the death of his best friend, Tommy Merlyn, who dies during the undertaking caused by Malcolm Merlyn. He vows to honor his friends memory and save Starling City in a different way - refusing to be the "killer" he once was. With his team at his side, John Diggle his right hand man (ex soldier) and Felicity Smoak, his eyes and ears (computer expert). The two most important people in Oliver's life and journey towards heroism. Oliver, the Arrow and his team are cleaning up the city and protecting the citizens of Starling. Roy Harper, who hero worshipped the Arrow also is also a member of Team Arrow. Alongside honorary member, Captain Quientin Lance (who once hated the Arrow) at the helm in the police department. Oliver has many enemies lurking in plain site will he be able to defeat them...






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Description: DONNA SMOAK RETURNS — During an attack on the mayor’s office, Ray (Brandon Routh) is critically injured. Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) is pleasantly surprised when her mother, Donna Smoak (guest star Charlotte Ross), shows up at the hospital to offer her support. With the SCPD out in full force looking for the assailant, Oliver (Stephen Amell) and his team work hard to stay one step ahead of the police to find the man responsible. However, things come to a head when Ra’s al Ghul (guest star Matt Nable) kidnaps Captain Lance (Paul Blackthorne). Dwight Little directed the episode written by Marc Guggenheim & Wendy Mericle (#318). Original airdate 4/1/2015
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TFTNT! But shouldn't the title also say Arrow S&S #100 or whatever number thread we're on now?


I hope Roy getting unmasked as "the Arrow" doesn't mean he can't be Arsenal and be an active member of TA. He has worked so hard to get where he is and he needs what being on TA gives him in his life. I don't want him to lose that. But I feel like since the description for 3x19 says that Lance is still on his mission to take down the Arrow, that he's not going to believe Roy is actually the Arrow. If he thought he had caught the Arrow he wouldn't still be trying to bring him down and Oliver wouldn't be in hiding. So maybe Roy being unmasked won't actually be that huge of a deal because Lance isn't going to believe Roy actually is the Arrow. Also at some point we know he finds out Oliver is the Arrow but whether that is before or after he unmasks Roy I don't know. I wonder if unmasking Roy is actually how he discovers Oliver is the Arrow. Like seeing Roy under that hood helps him put all the pieces together and it all becomes clear. I don't know but I'm curious how Lance learns the truth about the Arrow.

Also Diggle and Oliver ending the season at odds is an interesting theory, but I'm not so sure I see that happening. I mean on the one hand I could see this RAG stuff causing problem with them like if Diggle thinks Oliver is giving up on everything too easily. But on the other hand that scene when they were in RAG's dungeon was like cementing them as brothers for life. After that it's hard to imagine them being at odds. And also is Diggle really quitting TA? I know he said he was but then Lyla said she had already quit Argus and gave some advice or whatever and I wondered if that mean Dig wasn't going to have to quit TA since Lyla would be home with Sara and it wouldn't be like both of them were doing dangerous jobs anymore. And Diggle doesn't have to be like on the front lines with TA, he can go back to playing more of a background role and take less risks. He doesn't have to totally quit TA. Also with Lyla not in Argus anymore if Diggle not only quits TA but somehow ends up at odds with Oliver, what are they going to do with him? That's like getting rid of all of his storylines at once other than being a dad and husband.

I honestly don't know what this big game changer will be. And with MG being such an over hyper it's hard to gauge how big of a game changer this thing really is. But I really hope they don't reveal Oliver's identity to the world. I don't think he's that kind of superhero or that it's right for the show at least for the time being. And it would be a really huge tonal shift for the show, too big maybe. Plus I really don't see how Oliver is going to do what he does with everyone knowing who he is. Not to mention that it puts his loved ones in more danger because villains would know exactly who to go after if they want to hurt him. So yeah I really don't think I want that theory to come true.
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TFTNT! But shouldn't the title also say Arrow S&S #100 or whatever number thread we're on now?
Whoops. Too focused on trying to be clever with the title. Fixed it.
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^No worries, it's not a big deal. Thanks again for the new thread.
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Roy as the Arrow - no way does Quentin buy that for even a second. I mean, those two met a few episodes ago with Roy as Arsenal and Quentin knew it was him right off the bat. And no way does Roy do this on his own, expecting that this is going to clear Oliver, as I've seen some people speculate. IMO, Roy running around in the green is a Team Arrow plan, getting the police to look one way while they're doing something else elsewhere. That's it. We've just tried to attach extra significance to it because it was the only photos we'd seen of this episode until recently.

And I doubt that this 'reveal' will have any effect on Roy's ability to be on Team Arrow. (At least beyond the whole getting taken into custody thing ) After all, Lance already knew he was on the team. Catching him under the green hood doesn't change anything.

Not to say it isn't going to be difficult for Roy to maintain a place on the team, but his situation is no different than Felicity's and Laurel's - Quentin knows they work with the Arrow too. Everyone's going to have to be on their toes if they want to get through the next couple episodes un-arrested.

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Roy is surrounded by cops in the arrow outfit. Something has to come from that happening. He probably switches outfits with Oliver to allow him and Laurel the chance to escape. Since they are surrounded and Quentin is dead set on bringing Arrow down....even if that includes bringing down his daughter, they need a distraction
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I'm not sure I believe Oliver would let Roy take the fall for him like that. Roy is just a kid really and he doesn't deserve to get arrested or whatever else might happen. And I just think Oliver would never let Roy have to take on the consequences for the crusade he started. That's just not who Oliver is and he promised to never give up on Roy, so throwing him to the wolves is not exactly keeping that promise. And I would hope Laurel wouldn't let a kid like Roy take the fall for her either especially considering this is her father doing this and she helped cause this situation with her betrayal. (I'm not trying to start anything here this is simply my opinion of how I view the current situation, I know some people disagree but there is no need to rehash that whole Laurel vs Quentin argument). It would be kind of cowardly and selfish of Oliver and Laurel to let Roy take the fall in all this. I think it's possible Roy takes it upon himself to purposely reveal himself to Lance to protect Oliver. Because Roy practically worships Oliver, he basically wants to be him when he grows up. And he really needs this TA thing in his life. He want to protect Oliver. And of course there would consequences but since Lance's mission to bring down the Arrow continues past 3x18 and we know he finds out Oliver is the Arrow, Roy's unmasking clearly doesn't stop any of this mess. I'm just hoping maybe Lance sees that Roy is just a kid and not responsible for all this and maybe has some mercy there and let's him go. And then maybe either Lance as police captain (since really he's after the Arrow, it's possible he could decide not to punish Roy) or Laurel through being a ADA or Felicity through her computer skills finds a way to protect Roy and his identity or something. There are ways that Roy's unmasking can be downplayed especially since it's not about to bring Lance's crusade screeching to a halt or anything. I still think I'm just going to be really upset if this costs Roy being Arsenal and being on TA forever. Because that's just not fair.

EDIT: Okay so just realized this plan apparently comes together when Oliver and Roy and Laurel are all out in the field together. Although I don't know how Roy and Oliver could actually switch costumes because they are very different sizes, lol. But I still think Roy probably chooses to do this more than Oliver wants him to do it. But this also makes me think that the consequences of the unmasking might not be all that huge. Because I feel like Oliver agreeing to a plan like throwing Roy under the bus basically means he doesn't think it will actually be that awful of a thing and that they can find a way to make sure Roy and his identity are okay later. Or maybe that's just my wishful thinking talking but somehow I can't see Oliver being okay with a plan that essentially destroys Roy to save himself and Laurel especially when the two of them are way more culpable in this situation than Roy. Like I said that's not who Oliver is. He doesn't sacrifice people to save himself. So maybe hopefully the consequences of Roy's unmasking won't be as bad as it seems.
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I'm not sure I believe Oliver would let Roy take the fall for him like that. Roy is just a kid really and he doesn't deserve to get arrested or whatever else might happen. And I just think Oliver would never let Roy have to take on the consequences for the crusade he started. That's just not who Oliver is and he promised to never give up on Roy, so throwing him to the wolves is not exactly keeping that promise. And I would hope Laurel wouldn't let a kid like Roy take the fall for her either especially considering this is her father doing this and she helped cause this situation with her betrayal. (I'm not trying to start anything here this is simply my opinion of how I view the current situation, I know some people disagree but there is no need to rehash that whole Laurel vs Quentin argument). It would be kind of cowardly of Oliver and Laurel to let Roy take the fall in all this. I think it's possible Roy takes it upon himself to purposely reveal himself to Lance to protect Oliver. Because Roy practically worships Oliver, he basically wants to be him when he grows up. And he really needs this TA thing in his life. He want to protect Oliver. And of course there would consequences but since Lance's mission to bring down the Arrow continues past 3x18 and we know he finds out Oliver is the Arrow, Roy's unmasking clearly doesn't stop any of this mess. I'm just hoping maybe Lance sees that Roy is just a kid and not responsible for all this and maybe has some mercy there and let's him go. And then maybe either Lance as police captain (since really he's after the Arrow, it's possible he could decide not to punish Roy) or Laurel through being a ADA or Felicity through her computer skills finds a way to protect Roy and his identity or something. There are ways that Roy's unmasking can be downplayed especially since it's not about to bring Lance's crusade screeching to a halt or anything. I still think I'm just going to be really upset if this costs Roy being Arsenal and being on TA forever. Because that's just not fair.
Well, presumably part of the plan is 'don't get caught, Roy'. I don't see that as 'throwing Roy under the bus' as much as 'having faith in his abilities.' Oliver may not like the idea of putting his loved ones in the line of fire, but he's shown he's willing to do it in desperate situations (ie Felicity and Slade). We'll just have to see how it all shakes out.

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EDIT: Okay so just realized this plan apparently comes together when Oliver and Roy and Laurel are all out in the field together. Although I don't know how Roy and Oliver could actually switch costumes because they are very different sizes, lol. But I still think Roy probably chooses to do this more than Oliver wants him to do it. But this also makes me think that the consequences of the unmasking might not be all that huge. Because I feel like Oliver agreeing to a plan like throwing Roy under the bus basically means he doesn't think it will actually be that awful of a thing and that they can find a way to make sure Roy and his identity are okay later. Or maybe that's just my wishful thinking talking but somehow I can't see Oliver being okay with a plan that essentially destroys Roy to save himself and Laurel especially when the two of them are way more culpable in this situation than Roy. Like I said that's not who Oliver is. He doesn't sacrifice people to save himself. So maybe hopefully the consequences of Roy's unmasking won't be as bad as it seems.
If Dig can squeeze his gargantuan frame into the green leather, then Roy can deal with some long sleeves and baggy legs.
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^Hadn't thought that getting caught might be part of the plan. Although if they are all trying to get away, I don't get what switching costumes does. Also I was thinking more Oliver would never fit in Roy's outfit, it's too small for him, he'd never be able to squeeze into that. Diggle is close to Oliver's size just slightly taller and with more muscular arms, but Oliver is significantly taller and bigger than Roy. Plus if Roy is almost swimming the Arrow outfit, he won't make a very convincing Arrow. I've been thinking that Roy got caught on purpose and I'm not ruling that out, but I guess it's also possible Roy didn't mean to get caught. I do think the Felicity and Slade thing was a bit different. For one that situation was more desperate in the sense that Slade was going to destroy the city and everyone in it. He had to be stopped. Plus Oliver gave her a weapon, he was coming right after her, and just generally had more control of that situation as crazy as it was. But depending how this goes down, it's asking Roy to risk getting arrested, putting his identity out there, possibly lose his ability to be Arsenal and who knows what else for the crusade Oliver started. He just doesn't know what will happen to Roy in this situation. And this would actually be more selfish because it's letting Roy take the fall just so Oliver and Laurel stay out of trouble. This would be about saving his own skin not innocent lives. It just seems like the noble and brave thing to do would be to face Lance and the police himself not let the kid who is a lot less culpable in this situation take the fall for him. But like you said we do need to see what actually goes down before we can fairly judge the situation. I just hope Roy can still be Arsenal and be on TA. I'll be very upset if he loses that basically for nothing considering his unmasking seems to do nothing to stop Lance's crusade considering he's still going after the Arrow at least through 3x19.

Random question- do we think RAG captures Lance early on and tells him Oliver is the Arrow (and also probably fills his head with lies and exaggerations to fuel his rage)? That would explain why he's obviously not going to buy Roy is the Arrow. Or is the kidnapping going to be at the end of the episode?
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Random question- do we think RAG captures Lance early on and tells him Oliver is the Arrow (and also probably fills his head with lies and exaggerations to fuel his rage)? That would explain why he's obviously not going to buy Roy is the Arrow. Or is the kidnapping going to be at the end of the episode?
I suppose Ra's could tell Quentin that Oliver=Arrow, but that seems a bit easy. I think that Ra's tells Quentin that the LOA is here hunting Sara's killer - Malcolm Merlyn. And that the Arrow is harboring him. A mix of truth and lies that accomplishes 2 things: A) Makes Quentin even madder at TA on several levels and B) Shows that Ra's was not being uncharacteristically merciful when he released Malcolm - because he knew he could turn the release to his advantage if he needed to.
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Obviously Olivers outfit fits Roy perfectly since we see he is captured while in it....the power of TV
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Obviously Olivers outfit fits Roy perfectly since we see he is captured while in it....the power of TV
Lol, yeah, that's what it comes down to sometimes: we can tear our hair out nitpicking, or we can just turn our brains off temporarily and enjoy.
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